Technically Working
1 year ago

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All right, let's do it again then.

There's Demossian, he probably hears my music.

I'm gonna stay doing what's do best.

Very faintly?

Do you even hear me?

And I'm doing auto gain, so you don't hear me yet.

Yeah, now I hear you.

Do you hear me?

Yep.

All right, and we're already recording at clean feed.

Okay.

I'm going to...

Oh, let me start audio hijackers to back up over here.

So you guys on the live stream don't hear Damacy because Michael

didn't think something through.

So

and that is how we're opening the show.

So you want to know what position I got myself in

and then you can give me some feedback?

  • Yeah. - Okay.

  • Give me a sec though, hold on.

I gotta turn off some blocks.

  • Ah ha ha ha.

Oh man, Damacy, Damacy, blocks.

You think you just solved my problem, but.

  • All right, so now I got audio hijack running

as a backup, so we are good.

  • How's it going, Damacy?

It's going good, man.

I'm gonna close the stream on the phone.

  • 'Cause you don't hear yourself right now

in the stream, right?

  • Nope.

  • Okay.

So I'll explain what I did,

and then you can give me some thoughts if you have them.

And maybe for people in the live stream, I'll keep talking.

And if you didn't know,

we're trying to figure some tech issues out.

And I took a sledgehammer and said,

"Hey, let's make this work."

So what I did right now is, and I believe right now,

Demasi, if I do this, you hear music, come on, right?

And so I'm gonna take that away.

And now you don't hear that.

So what I did is I went into loopback and I said,

hey, I want you to send all of my audio in here

to this live streaming software called Auden.

Well, I'm sorry, that's my default microphone.

And I just attached a VLC to that.

If I attach Microsoft Edge to this device,

which is what's streaming into Auden,

then Demasi's gonna hear himself,

and I don't have the flexibility that Demasi has as a host

to set up multiple auxes to send audio

from just clean feed to different destinations.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

I'm probably poorly explaining that.

  • So I was listening to you in Safari on the iPhone.

Like right after we hung up, I went and clicked on your link

and signed in to Mastodon.

And then I was able to hear you.

They do mute the audio on the stream by default when you first connect.

So you have to go unmute the audio, but it does say to protect your ears.

And it tells you, there's a nice little.

Are you a message alert that comes up that says, you know, to protect your ears.

Audio is muted on start.

It gives me that notification too.

When I signed in on the Mac before I could even connect or do anything.

It gave that, I saw that notification.

Cool.

Yes, I'm sure I want to send a request to be a speaker.

Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

Oh, this is one there.

So I did get a notification.

It says badge status one.

So that tells me that there's a notification and I did get a sound.

So now I have to find the button that says open list of speaker requests.

And I'll hit that.

And it says Damacy and one more item and two more items group.

(laughing)

So I'm gonna press VO's face on that.

And Mallory's calling me.

Great, we're technically working.

Hold on, I'm gonna hit VO's face

and then you should be on.

  • All right.

  • Did it ever let you come on and speak?

  • Nope.

  • Oh, okay.

So can you hear yourself now or did you leave?

No, I'm still here.

Because I accepted your request to speak.

Oh, okay. Right now my microphone is muted.

So let me un-view my microphone on the stream.

There you are.

All right.

Huh.

What?

I don't hear.

Oh, never mind.

Because I'm in here.

No, I don't hear me because I'm not listening on the stream anymore,

which is what I was confused about.

I was like, wait, I don't hear me.

me because I hear you twice with just like a slight delay half second delay yes yes

but why do you hear me oh because you hear me and okay so now I can switch my microphone now you

only hear me I guess I would have to change my default now you only hear me once now right

  • Yeah. - But the livestream

does not hear me.

  • 'Cause you muted yourself for the livestream.

  • Correct. - Yeah.

  • And I hear two of you.

  • Yeah, so hold on one second.

I'm gonna mute me in the livestream.

You stay muted for a sec. - Okay.

  • And I'm gonna

get both of us going into the livestream.

  • So now we just hear us once.

All right.

So one way I need to go check my loop back device to see what I have handy.

See, we're technically working, aren't we?

We're figuring out how to stream audio the way that we intend to and not having

to hear each other twice.

Well, I mean, I could have used two different browsers and then I know how to

do it, but I wanted to do everything in edge.

No, it's not a factor of two different browsers though.

we still would have had the same problem.

  • But you're gonna use audio hijack to solve the problem

versus using loopback to make everything.

  • Well, actually I'm gonna try to use loopback.

I gotta see what I got in here.

  • In your handy little loopback toolbox.

So if I do this, now you hear me twice, right?

Or do you only hear one of me?

  • There we go.

There's the audio hijack.

And I think this is just a--

yep, it's just a pass-through device.

So I'm going to try this.

Now here's the downside, at least.

So I'll-- let me get over to Chrome and do the thing.

All right, so first let me save the audio.

Hadn't done that at all.

Boom.

Yep.

So you've heard half of Mind and Marty's conversation then,

too?

  • Yep.

  • All right, tilde slash sync.

  • Live stream, we're trying something soon,

so if you're listening, we will be back shortly.

  • Slah, technically working, boom.

We'll just save it there.

  • So I see you here as a speaker.

You have a speaker badge.

And then, all right.

So one downside here for me, at least, and I don't know if it's like this

and, and edge, cause I have, uh, Auden open in Safari.

Okay.

So I have to, I think change my default system wide input device in

order to be able to change the device in Safari.

That's not a Safari only issue.

Okay.

'cause that was gonna be my initial thing,

is to go and set up just an Auden device itself.

And then whenever I stream, use that in Auden

and then send audio to that specific device

if I'm streaming into Auden.

And I could not immediately find a way to

change my input or my output in Auden.

And I'm still not seeing any way to do that on Edge.

But if and when you can stream,

I can verify that I can hear both of us if you're able to.

And then I can leave the Auden stream

so I don't hear duplicates

and it allows me to leave it open.

So it's not like other things.

It looks like as long as someone's in here

that can be in the room and stream,

then people should be able to come to the room.

And so I shared it on Mastodon,

but right now people are hearing silence.

And Auden does not tell me if you're muted or unmuted,

but I know you're muted.

Well, I think I know you're muted.

  • Okay, now I'm gonna unmute in Auden,

and if this is working,

you should be able to hear me on the string.

  • Yes, I do hear you on the string.

  • Did you hear you on the string?

  • I do not hear me on the string.

  • Okay, let's see, I think I have just discovered something.

All right, now say something.

  • Now I am saying something,

And I still do not hear myself, but if I unmute, nope, I don't hear myself.

Yeah.

I unmuted now you hear two of me, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, mute yourself back.

Yeah.

I muted.

So maybe you can't configure.

I don't know.

I don't know what you're trying to do.

This is a learning experience though.

So I'm using the ox and that's what I'm trying to do right now.

anyways, use the aux to send my audio to me and you to hold on.

Let me reload. You may have to let me back in here to the

string because I wonder if it didn't change just because I

changed my device. Good point. Good point. You also Oh, and I'm

gonna unmute myself so Demossie can hear me. Wait, you could

still hear me in clean feed, right?

You can feed yourself now.

Yep.

Sure.

Yeah.

So now I gotta send another speaker requests.

Because you don't hear anything right now.

Well, you hear me in clean feed, but not, I mean, I would hear you there, but it's,

it's a fact I can't speak anymore because I gotcha.

So good to know if you're reload and Auden, you have to send a speaker request again.

There you go.

And that's a little pop.

Open this to speakers.

Alright, so now I'll unmute my microphone.

So now I should be heard.

Wait, I didn't have to approve you to come back on.

Whoa, I hear myself.

Now you hear yourself.

Hold on.

Let me.

Testing one, two, three.

Yes, I do hear myself.

Now you don't?

Now I do not hear myself. Yes, that is correct. Now you do hear yourself. Yes, I think yes I do but

Something's doing some noise cancellation and I think it's oh, I think it's odd and so

I'm gonna leave on in do you still have it on your phone or well, it probably won't let you join on your phone. Will it?

Nope. I am just well. No, cuz I don't think it let me let me connect in two different places with this

I'm gonna close this so I only hear one of you. I

I did hear myself. So we should I am out of Odin. So we'll get into the show now.

And that is going to be a freaking mess. Clean it up. Just say I doubt it. Actually,

we'll we get it figured out. But yeah, so I heard myself, but it sounded like something was noise

canceling me, which I don't understand why. But you know, that happens. And that could be odd. And

it could be because we have both of us, but we're now relying on Demossy to

stream us into, well, actually maybe not.

I might've just killed the whole room.

I think it's still going.

Okay.

Let me go see if I command shift T.

It appears to still be going.

I'll say that.

Right.

It says connecting right now to me and I can send a speaker request.

Are you sure you want to send us a request?

I'm going to hit OK.

And you may or may not get a notification.

Oh, wait, I don't even need to.

That mute button got me.

So say something.

Oh, you're back. What?

I said you're back.

Yep, I am back and I hear myself still.

OK, so I'm going to go properly leave the room.

And then we can get into the show today.

All righty.

So technically working 11, I think.

Is that right? Yep. Yeah.

Did you have to look?

I wasn't sure.

I think I just completely disconnected everything.

Okay.

Oh my god.

I can still hear you.

Let's record the show and then we will-

No, you can still hear me at clean feet of course.

Yes, yes.

I'm not sure if anybody's in- there's nobody there.

There's gotta be nobody there.

Close it out.

No, I mean I just looked there.

I just looked, there's nobody there.

  • Well, I don't know.

It never told me when you were just there listening.

  • Oh.

  • So I don't know if people are actually there.

  • All right, so using the OX in Clean Feed,

I only see one OX device that I add.

I select the device I wanted to send audio out of,

and then there's a radio button that for me

in Chrome on the Mac isn't labeled very well.

it says, "Hear everyone or just hears us."

I don't know who us is, 'cause who would everyone be?

Everyone I'm assuming is everyone but us.

  • What's the difference in everyone and us?

  • So. - I mean, maybe it's just

sending me, like, the host is us,

but why not say host instead of, anyway, I'm gonna.

But we tried it and now we know a couple of things

to explore for next time, if that makes sense.

'Cause now I know how it works.

I knew how it worked or I assumed how it worked

because see, I consciously went into Edge and I'm like, hey,

and I'm like, hey, let's give this a try

but I should try it in Edge

because that's gonna give me the best experience.

Well, come to find out, maybe,

I assumed I would be able to pick my input to me.

And the fact is I can't, and that's disappointing.

I could just set up a pass-through device

and then send that audio into either of the tabs.

But I think the problem is, is I was trying to do streaming

both in and out of edge,

and that just didn't work out very well.

  • Yeah.

Well, it was an interesting experiment.

  • It was.

streaming into Odin, Odin, whatever it's called.

  • Yeah, whatever the tool is called, yes.

We are streaming in there and if you're listening,

we appreciate you.

Unfortunately, we can't see if you're listening.

So send either one of us a mention on Mastodon

and one of us will eventually see it

and thank you for listening as well.

And you have both of our Mastodons

because that's how you got the link.

If you're wondering how do I find you on Mastodon?

I tell you what though, I am definitely going to set up this Mastodon instance.

Yeah, I was gonna ask you what we needed to do to start that process.

Because the more I'm using it, the more I'm like, huh, I need to start branding myself

and not other people.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but yeah.

Yeah, well, I mean, gives you more flexibility as well with the platform.

And it's kind of the idea, like as I watched the landscape of what's going on.

So blue sky is a thing I don't have an invite.

I haven't applied for getting on the waiting list either, but blue sky is out there.

Mastin on is out here.

There's a couple other things that I need to look into that have been around as well.

that are part of the overall activity pub protocol,

which is what powers Mastodon.

But what I think, or what I'm starting to kind of see,

at least Mastodon, because it's the one I'm most familiar

with, blue sky still hasn't really gotten anywhere

as far as expanding, they're still defining their spec.

But I think the idea of Mastodon is not necessarily

everybody has their own instance,

but kind of what we're thinking about doing,

where we just want to set up an instance,

'cause it helps brand a product that we're doing

that we're involved in.

And it's lightweight management

'cause we're not opening it up to the rest of the world.

It is just a small known quantity of people.

It gives us a lot more flexibility with our social media,

with our branding, with even possible configuration options

or automations, et cetera, on our own server

without being beholden to what a server administrator

wants to do or what a service actually wants to do.

  • Yes.

  • As a whole, right?

Like, you know what I mean?

Jetpack, I just heard a story where Jetpack

is removing the automatic post to Twitter integration

because Twitter first turned off their API access

without saying anything and then, you know,

they did that to everybody, so they're not special

in that fact.

But then when they turned it back on,

the pricing was weird, et cetera.

So they're just taking that out as a feature

and a lot of people that use the Jetpack plugin

WordPress probably use that feature to auto post their tweets, their posts to

Twitter. Well that's going away. They're gonna add Mastodon integration but the

Twitter is just completely gone, right? Yeah. Well that's one of the advantages

to the Mastodon model is you can be as customized and and set it up your own

way or use it just generally like you and I have been but now that we're like

hey you know I'm actually at least this is the way I'm speaking for myself. Now

that I'm like, Hey, I'm actually using this on a regular

base. I'm posting three to five times a day. I'm, I'm

interacting with other people and then I'm boosting other

people's posts. I'm, I'm actually using it like I

initially use Twitter mainly honestly, because we are getting

responses on there. I had 5000 followers on Twitter and I was

happy if I got a boost or a retweet or even a mention. So I

think that's what's what's keeping me on Massadon at least

for the time being, is it's working how social networks should be working.

I have went in and full transparency customized Mona on the iPhone, at

least to hide all other people's boost posts, mainly because I want to get

through it more, but I can go disable that at any point and see boost posts

again, which I realized that a lot of people probably done that as well.

Therefore, when I boost people's posts, it's probably pointless, but you know,

that's just the nature of the game.

Right.

And I know why I am hearing you twice.

All right.

Say something, Michael.

Hello.

Nope, that did not fix it.

All right.

Oh, screw it.

Just deal with it.

Turn the block back on.

Okay.

So broke something.

So I posted a message on Mastodon speaking and it said curious minds wonder,

what are you doing about email when you have tasks in it?

Hashtag technically working.

And then the two choices is I do it right then,

or I use a project management application,

or my two choices.

So if you were curious how that poll results,

go check out my Mast-Don profile,

we'll share more at the end of this episode

on how to get there.

100% of people say I do it right then,

I've had one vote.

So it's only been up for an hour,

but we'll see how it goes.

I could have solved this problem just by,

you know, that one.

Yeah, actually I could have.

I could actually, so I solved the problem, Demossy,

that we could have did.

I could go set up a pass-through device

that also takes my microphone,

make that my default input device on macOS,

then set the headphone output to that pass-through device

in Clean Feed, and then load Auden,

and that would use the default audio device for macOS,

which has my mic and the audio from Clean Feed.

That's basically what I did.

  • Gotcha.

And it's working.

  • Except--

  • You hear two of me?

  • Nope.

Well, I was hearing two of you

because I was trying to also,

I was trying to pipe audio to the aux and clean feet.

I see how it works.

I'm not necessarily sure that I personally need that

because of having to look back on Audio Hijack.

So now what I'm doing is I am,

because this session was already set up

from when we streamed into Zoom last week.

Was it last week?

Yeah.

Yeah, it was last week.

So I already had a block set up that

was grabbing audio from my microphone and from Chrome

for me and sending it through a pass-through device.

So I just set that pass-through device

as the default input for system-wide.

And then now that's the microphone

that's being used in Auden.

And therefore, people are hearing us.

But I'm just using audio hijack with that pass through device.

Gotcha.

Okay.

So audio hijack is just routing the audio where it needs to know that.

And pretty much.

Yep.

Huh.

See multiple ways to accomplish the task on macOS.

Now this autumn is a little weird because you got to sign into your

mastodon account before you can even hear the stream that is.

Signing in so you could join.

Make sense just to hear it.

Not so much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I get that.

Well, I don't get it.

Cause I thought I'd be able to just click the link in the recording that I did

before we actually started the show.

I thought I'd be able to just click the link and that would allow me to listen to it.

Nope.

Did not work that way.

Yep.

I noticed that.

Okay.

Let's see.

Let me make sure.

And that is going there.

So yep.

Everybody should be hearing us in Auden.

If they are there, send us a message somewhere and let us know.

If you mention me on Macedon, I will.

  • Yup, me too.

Me too.

  • Those notifications are still currently coming through Ivory.

  • I wanna know your opinion about Ivory actually,

because.

  • I'm gonna start, so here's the problem.

I've left notifications in Ivory 'cause I'm like,

well that'll make me go look at Ivory, right?

But when I go to Macedon to just go even just browse,

I go to Mona.

So I gotta break that habit and use Ivory

and just start using it more from the phone or the iPad.

I've also been trying to use the iPad a little bit more

for browsing and just kind of consumption stuff

instead of using the phone.

  • Yeah, yeah.

Interesting, 'cause Marty and I talked about that today.

He's an Ivory user.

He likes the fact that you can customize Mona

and he likes the fact that you can use it

and it's fully accessible, but for him--

  • You don't wanna do none of that.

  • Exactly, for him, Ivory just is set up

and works the way he wants it.

And I'm like, I don't, I don't, at first I told him, I said, I will never

support that company no matter what.

And then by the time we got off the phone, I'm like, well, maybe I might go check it

out and actually probably what I'll do is ask to Mossy his opinion.

But for me, Mona is the Mastodon app of choice.

I'm going to record some content showing people how to use Mona on

the Mac a little bit as well.

So we're possibly going to start producing even more content because I was

having a chat and Mike will talk more about it officially kind of offline but

having a chat with somebody today. I was called this person a good friend and

they're trying to get, well I'll say trying to get you know any work that can

be thrown their son's way right now is would be appreciated. Well he's a

computer you know guy's going for computer science I think or something in

in the IT space.

  • Okay, I know who you're talking about.

  • So, one thing came up was I was like,

hey, we're working on this app,

we need to get some video content recorded

for support documentation,

'cause that video works, and marketing.

And she was like, oh, he can do that.

And then I had the idea, well look,

a lot of times I don't produce or don't let go

of content I have created on how to do a thing,

because I'm doing it with a screen reader.

And while there's a audience out there

better screen reader users that would appreciate it.

There's also a wider audience and more of my customer base

that is sighted.

Well, I'm not moving my mouse to do things.

So oftentimes the way that I just did this

is not even a pathway they could follow in some cases,

or it's not the pathway that they would follow if they could

because again, they're gonna use the mouse.

So I was like, oh, well, I have stuff.

I could share it with him and he just go rerecorded

uh, from a mouse user's perspective for visual people.

And then he can post that on his YouTube channel.

Like, I don't care.

Like, you know, and, and, and, hey, we get, gets

yourself out there as a content creator.

Starts establishing some voiceover stuff that we need.

And yeah, get some stuff done that we need.

Huh?

So, huh.

Interesting.

Yeah.

That could be, hmm.

I see where you're going.

We will talk that one through some more.

Cause that is interesting.

And yeah, finish your thought

'cause I think I interrupted you.

  • Oh, well, no, I said the only thing that I,

and I just think I may have come across the way

to deal with it is do,

you know, so some content is, you know,

screen reader focus that goes on,

let's say pay on media's channel, for example.

His content could go, you know, on his channel.

That he's kind of, in effect,

duplicating what I've already shown,

but it's a faster way for him to learn how to do it

and then go show somebody else how to do it.

But what we could do is do the cross-post thing.

Like if you're looking for how to do this

with a screen reader, you know, click the link here

and then that'll take you to the screen reader version.

And we do the same thing on the screen reader user version

of the video.

  • If you'd rather not hear the screen reader,

click here. - How to do this

more visually, you know, go there, right?

  • Huh.

So I have over 6,000 views on one of my videos,

which to me, that's a lot.

I mean, it's in the grand scheme of things, not a lot,

but it is a lot over six years.

Well, actually really anyways, 6,000 views.

It's a big number.

One of the biggest complaints in the comments

is the fact that they had to hear Alex

while I was showing people how to do things.

One of the biggest appreciations in the comments

was that they could hear Alex.

Well, I was telling you to do something.

So, you know, that's something to be aware of for sure.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah, we needed to talk that one through.

  • Yeah, and I still need to,

I still have not found a satisfactory way.

So anybody hears this and wanna reach out to us on Mastodon

or via email, do so, if you have a way to do this.

There is a way to put like the AD track,

the audio described track into a YouTube video, right?

I have not found a consistent way to do it easily,

like efficiently, like it needs to just kind of be a drop in

into a pipeline.

I record a video with, you know, macOS built in screen

recording zone, whatever you use, edit, you know,

make your edits for me, I'll probably make those edits

in Reaper and just carry on about my day.

But then I want to be able to add the separate audio track

of voiceover or NVDA to that video.

and then people can turn on the audio describe track

if they need to hear the screen reader

and leave it off if they don't.

  • Or a discussion we were having on Mastodon today was,

maybe YouTube would actually honor

the audio description checkbox under accessibility

and automatically give you the content that you want.

  • Automatically give you, that would be even better

if they would do that, but you know.

  • I told--

  • I'm just wishing for a way to make it easy.

  • I told Marty and Allison on Mastodon,

Hey, I think the only app that consistently does this for me at

least is Apple TV. Netflix might, but I don't watch a lot

of Netflix content anymore.

Right now. So we should look into peer to how you looked at

any of those other activities. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I

gotta get this freaking CRM in place. I can start making sales.

I can start paying things. So I can go look at other things.

Did you get my email this morning?

Uh, I did.

Okay.

And side note on the CRM, what I think we should do, uh, is just sit down together

and go through some configuration stuff as we're doing it.

So if there are questions, there are questions, maybe that's some content we

could record and then, you know, edit down later on to be useful for something as well.

Like a membership.

Oh, yeah.

Should we say that?

We don't know yet.

Go to your own pay.com/tw.

Get on the mailing list if you're interested

because we're trying some weird, not weird,

we're trying some different things out

to experiment with sustainability instead of just hobbies.

  • What about your podcast network?

I hear you, I heard that.

I heard that.

(laughing)

It is coming but all man is it different.

Things can change in an afternoon.

  • Very rapidly, very rapidly.

But that is coming.

Target release day for, I don't,

actually I don't have a target release day yet.

  • I have an internal target release day

that neither of us has shared

with the other one. - I have one in my mind

that hasn't been discussed with anybody.

Right, right.

It ain't been discussed at all.

So that discussion has to happen.

But oh man, I am more excited about it now, I think.

than I was, like I still wanted to get it done,

but I think that final little piece just fell into place.

And it's like, all right, let's go.

  • Yeah, we'll see where it goes.

Unmute presents, we've been publishing

some interesting content.

Lately we had the Friday Finds episode with Lynn,

where she talked about three tech stories

that you might wanna go check out.

And then this coming Thursday,

interesting discussion with Even,

who is the individual behind the Voice Central application,

a semi-competitor to Voice Stream.

And I hesitate when I say that because in my eyes,

that's really not a competitor

because I use Voice Stream for more than just reading books.

And for me, Voice Stream is my MP3 player really.

And even said in the interview that he has no intentions

for the foreseeable future to support playback

MP3 files in the application. So to me it's like, oh no, I'm not going to use this application.

Nothing against what he's doing. If you need a book reader, it's a very simple interface.

And it was really easy to set up. And we had a pretty, pretty good discussion with him. So

check that out coming up this Thursday on unmute presents. Damacy, have you done anything lately

you want to mention? Or do you want to add? Yeah, I just nearly broke the base on my webcam.

Yeah, see, this is why we shouldn't be playing with things.

Oh, wait, no, no, it's starting to sound like Mallory. Dude.

Oh, man. So, you know, Mallory.

Yesterday, we were talking, I forget exactly what she was,

what came up and I said, yeah, but the podcast listeners know

that you have an obsession with shoes. And she goes, are you

telling me that your podcast listeners know about me and my

obsession with shoes? I'm like, yeah, like your name comes up

probably at least once every couple of episodes.

So people know your name, they know your...

She goes, "Does that mean thousands of people

know who I am?"

I'm like, "No, not yet, I don't get that many downloads."

And she's like, "But it still means like hundreds

of people know who I am."

And I'm like, "Yeah, probably a thousand people.

I mean, over everything, maybe a thousand people."

So, you know, that's a interesting conversation to have.

The unexpectedness of finding some sort of success

with a little bit of podcasting.

I mean, a little bit of successful podcasting.

Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, that that that conversation. So, I'll

tell you how I broke my webcam. Mike's telling the story of of

of he's or he's getting the word out about the episode

coming up with the guy from uh what's his name called again?

Voice Central. Speech Central. Yeah. Speech Central. Hold on.

So, I just deleted it off my phone. Uh well, I think it's

Voice Central but. Yeah, I think that is what it's called.

  • Speech Central.

  • Speech Central, okay.

Here's the thing, right?

I downloaded it 'cause you told me about the episode

and the interview, well you told me about the interview

that was coming up and you were like,

take a look at it, you know, this and that.

So I wanted to go look at it.

Well, I downloaded it, all right?

That's the first step in looking at it,

is downloading it, all right?

So it was there, it was actually on my phone

right next to Voice Stream Reader

because I happened to download those

at the, you know, right behind each other, basically,

'cause I hadn't put VoiceStream reader on the phone yet.

So then I hear about the, he doesn't do MP3s,

and there's no plans to do MP3s.

(laughing)

Well, there's no point in me opening the application.

Conversation over.

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • Now, that's not saying that no one should go look

at the app or that it's not a good app.

From what I have heard from other people,

It sounds like it is a pretty well put together out, but it's just going to read

text.

I don't know enough about the type of text.

I don't know if it has the breadth of file type support that voice stream had

for, or has for docs and text and Markdown and HTML and so on PDFs.

But if it does, and it meets your knees, I mean, absolutely use it for me.

And this is why I said on the conversation I had with Marty and

then about the price raise coming for,

or already in effect for Voice Stream Reader,

then I will probably continue to pay that price

because I have been getting tremendous value out of that.

And again, as an app that if it's not on my phone,

at some point in the first week of resetting a phone,

depending on how aggressive I am

about actually using my phone,

I'm gonna realize that Voice Stream Reader is not on my phone

because I'm gonna go to do something

that it normally provides for me,

and then it's not gonna show up in my share sheet.

And I'm like, oh, gotta go install that.

  • So Voice Speech Central,

and I probably call it Voice Central

and I'm not gonna go and cut that out,

but Speech Central is the real name of the application.

Did let me, so what I did is I installed it

and I did not actually connect it to any services,

but it did show up in the share sheet.

So I did share a PDF file with it.

And I believe it did OCR on the PDF file.

So it works.

It's just not gonna be the app for me because I need,

honestly, VoiceStream Reader, as I said,

I play more MP3s in there than I read text with.

It's great to have for text reading,

but I play more MP3s in there than anything.

  • Yeah, I mean, I use it for both.

And for me, like there's not a replacement app

that I'm aware of for the MP3 playing back.

So there's no point in me having two apps,

one that I use for MP3s and one that I use for text,

if there's one that does both of those things.

And you know, as of right now, it's meeting my needs.

I get people are upset with the price hike

for Voice Stream Reader.

I'm frankly not surprised that this came

because as I pointed out,

and this app is going on sale several times over the years,

I bought Voice Stream Reader when it was 4.99

when it first released.

I have been using it and you know, this is when it first released that I was what 2012

2013.

I have been using it since then up until now and never given a guy any more money because

he never asked for any more money.

I would have gave it to him.

He's never asked for it.

He kept updating the app and adding features and staying current with the OS functionality.

Never asked for any more money.

Therefore, he never got any more money.

60 bucks a year for me is it's not excessive for what the app does.

Because you use it every day.

If not every day, you use it several times a week.

Right.

And for me, the ability to just throw away a PDF or any kind of text file, a lot of audio

formats in there and just listen to them, mostly the text files as though I'm listening

to an audio book is awesome.

still one of the most amazing features of having a smartphone

for me is that I can grab a PDF that is a white paper on

something, drop it into voice stream reader and then go do the

dishes.

And listen to it. And then press the button and answer your

headphones when someone calls you or skip back if it's like,

Oh, wait, what did you say? Let me skip back, right? Let me skip

back a little couple of paragraphs. I think I didn't

quite understand that.

Guess what? Your headphones actually work when you press the

buttons.

  • Yeah, yeah.

So, I recently wiped my phone.

Actually, I wiped it after we recorded last week's episode.

  • Yep.

  • So, same deal, I think I said it in the last show.

When I wiped it, I was gonna throw this off

or out there, I'm gonna do it again.

We did have a winner, I think I mentioned.

  • You did.

  • For the Mac, but not on the iPhone.

Give me five, and this is easier on the phone.

You know, on the back there's so much stuff because I said on the back what did I install?

So that also included PHP.

That's a possible answer.

I think he used that as an answer too.

Yep.

Yep.

So that that's a possible, but on the phone it's just apps, right?

I can't install anything but apps.

So give me five of the first 10 apps that I installed on my iPhone.

We don't count any built-in apps and we don't,

and I'll even give a pass on something like TestFlight.

I'm not gonna count that.

If TestFlight was number 10 and VoiceStream was number 11

and you give me VoiceStream, not TestFlight,

I'll honor that 'cause TestFlight is TestFlight.

That's the thing.

Not everybody knows about it.

But Mike, what do you think five of the first 10 apps

I installed are?

  • So to me--

And you, sir, do not get any points for saying one pass.

You knew that's right where I was going.

I was going to say, so to me, one password is the first one.

So you get there.

There's your free one.

So you only need to come up with four because you as the listener can use one

password, but to me, I think the UB co application, I forget the exact name of

it to manage your UB key.

Hmm.

You want me to list them off and then you tell me my five, or how do you want to do

this?

Yeah, just just list off the five. Okay, so so Yubico is what we'll call it.

I know it was not Stripe because of a comic you made the other day. So I'm not going to say Stripe

there. So this is an interesting one. I don't know if you're using Signal or Telegram. So I will say

Signal. So Yubito, Signal.

Can you tell that sometimes I don't pay attention to what Duwase is doing on his phone.

Are you using Brave? So I'll say Brave. I don't think you've actually used Brave, but an alternative

browser you can choose if you want to mention that or not. I guess you can't really tell me if I'm

right on the show. And a I'm wondering if you're using the data jar and the last one

that I'll say is toolbox for shortcuts.

Wow.

None of those, huh?

You are 100% wrong.

There you go.

The only one you would have gotten right if I let you get it would have been web pass

And funnily enough, this time, One Passware was not the first app that I installed on

the phone.

Right.

And I kind of knew not to, well, I kind of suspected not to choose some of the normal

ones.

I didn't say drafts on there, but I should have.

And the other one that I was thinking of, I don't know where you want to go with it,

but I know you're going to try not to use it.

And I don't know how long it's been since you've not used it.

The big F.

  • Fantastic. So it is on the phone now.

So funny thing is like I have not done any customization

to my phone mostly.

So all of my apps are on the home screen.

And it was so I could look and see what did I install

and what order did I install things in.

  • So what do you think I recently installed?

Because I'll tell you the five that I installed first.

And you might be surprised.

  • One password would have been one of those.

Fantasticow.

WhatsApp.

Dropbox.

And Spring.

  • So neither of us know each other's phones very well.

(laughing)

Like we know we talk about, but anyways,

so I will tell you what the first 10 are on my phone,

just so we can go over that.

It's gonna be Mona Overcast, Ira Explorer,

Capital One, Clubhouse Sonos, Unify Cash App,

One Password, and YouTube.

(laughing)

The only reason Cash App is on there

is because I had to send my sister money

and she hasn't figured out Apple Pay.

  • Uh-huh, like that same for some of this stuff.

  • So, Damacy just shared with the live stream

and me his 10 applications, and I'm interested in--

  • Ha, ha, ha, I forgot about the live stream.

  • Who is, so right, until you were done like,

"Oh, Damacy just shared with me,"

and then like, "And the live stream,"

'cause remember, you're always live in your mind, Michael.

  • Yeah, I forgot about the live stream.

  • So if you're listening to "Lifestream," send an email.

Reach out to us.

  • You still gotta reach out and tell me.

I will not ask unless you give them to me exactly

if I just get you there.

  • Right, right, right.

Come on, just mix it up a little bit.

  • Feel a little clever about it.

So for me, that came out of basically necessity.

I needed Zoom to join into a meeting

and I wasn't at the computer at the time,

So I was like, oh, let me install Zoom.

And then click on this Zoom link.

All right.

Then one password, because I realized nothing else

I was going to do, I would be able to sign in too.

And I'm having this conversation with you.

We can't put that in the show.

Well, see, I was going to leave those in there,

see how far you went down there.

And I mean, if people are actually listening.

[LAUGHTER]

I just realized I'm about to do what the whole thing is.

(laughing)

But I'm talking to you,

I'm not even thinking about this shit anymore,

I'm just talking to you.

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • Moving along.

  • So I told you to ask me a question today.

  • Yeah, you did tell me that you had some big news

of some sort, so what is going on today?

  • Steven was right.

Steven was right.

The MX keys keyboard is like magic,

and I'm pretty sure you've told me this too, so.

Nope, I haven't 'cause I've never owned one.

  • Mallory--

  • Now I may have to give one.

  • Yeah, I, yeah.

So Mallory decided that, hey, you know,

I'm really just at this office for a couple hours a week.

I have a built-in keyboard laptop

and Michael's working at home.

Why don't I just give him that keyboard?

Which really means she wants to buy something

in the very near future and Michael got a keyboard.

Can you tell I've been married for a little while?

Anyways, I really like this keyboard.

I used Ira and we did figure it out.

So it was really hard for me not to call you and be like,

hey, how do you do this on a real macOS keyboard?

Because then that would have gave everything away.

So for example, I'm like, I knew he told me the FN key.

Oh, it was the same as the insert key.

And I remember that, so that works.

So it's the FN key, that six pack there

where it's FN home page up, but that row above that,

which is also F 14, 15 and 16 are the three buttons

that you can press and you press and hold one of them

to put it into pairing mode.

I haven't quite figured out how to switch devices yet,

but it will give you three devices.

I need to get the phone hooked up to the Vocaster.

I'm already telling you stuff you already know

because now I can just switch over to the phone

and then use that, which is pretty cool.

And then people are saying the app is not accessible

before Logitech.

So I'm gonna have to download that and try it with VOCR

and see how that works if it works at all.

But more importantly, I did go down the path

of starting to explore getting bit focused

to work with the keyboard to see if that's something

someone's hacked together if the software is not accessible

because now I have one to play with.

And then I can go to people and say,

"Hey, yeah, you could set these up."

'Cause I don't even know what the software does.

I don't know if you've, if you know,

or if you've looked or not, but yeah, that's-

  • I have not looked 'cause I don't have,

I don't even have a Logitech keyboard at the moment.

I have been thinking about their portable version

of their MX keys, but I just haven't really needed

to buy one, 'cause I mean, if I'm traveling,

let's be honest, I got a laptop.

It has a keyboard on it, I buy another one.

That goes into a thing though,

and I wanna get this out there.

I have a small wish list for Apple.

I'm gonna have a very large one too,

but here's a small wish list of things I think

that are accomplishable and would honestly

serve your bottom line more than just a feature request from a random dude.

It's like, Oh, I want this.

So three things.

Number one, I want Apple to make a keyboard, make two versions of this keyboard,

a regular size, and then the full extended keyboard that allows

from multiple to vice pairing.

Give me at least three.

I'll take two, but three would be preferable or more.

and also will work with Touch ID for the device

that you are connected to.

So if I'm connected to my Mac,

it works for Touch ID to the Mac.

If I'm connected to my phone,

it works with Touch ID to authenticate me to the phone.

  • Uh-huh, yep.

  • Now, that ties into the second thing that I want,

which is on the next phone for some version

or next year's phone.

Hey, you really wanna sucker to Massey,

Make a USB-C phone this year with Thunderbolt speeds

on the Pro model and then make this phone

that I want you to make next year

and you'll sucker me into upgrading twice.

But make me a phone where I have Face ID and Touch ID.

Face ID as an option, Touch ID as an option.

Touch ID in the side button, the power button, right?

Give me that with the flexibility in the operating system

to configure how that's requested.

So let's say if I'm making a purchase,

I need to do Touch ID.

But if I'm unlocking an app, say one password,

I need to do Touch ID and Face ID or something.

Give me some flexibility in when and how that is used.

Like, you know, elevate my security

where I need both of them in some instances.

Like if I wanna change my Apple ID password,

for example, that should require face ID and touch ID.

And then the third thing, where was the third thing?

I think I've forgotten what the third thing was now.

So there may be only two.

  • I think.

  • Oh, no, I do know what the third thing is.

The third thing is give me the ability to mute

any call using my earbud.

  • Ah.

Any app that uses the call kit framework,

so whether that's the phone app, FaceTime, Zoom, Signal,

any app that supports call kit,

that natively when I wake my phone up,

I can see the screen of that app

and mute and do all of that stuff

like I would in the phone app,

make it possible for me to configure my earbuds

with Beats, AirPods, whatever headphones Apple makes,

to mute in that call.

And it's pretty easy to do a thing right now

with the headphones,

because I recently got a notification that popped up

when I was putting in my beats that said,

would you change the way you hang up calls?

Would you like to single press the button

or you can double press the button to hang up?

So on the beats, I changed it to double press to hang up

because sometimes I'm trying to nudge the earbud

back in my ear with my hand

and actually then to push the button and hang up on people.

So now I have to double press it.

Well, what if a single press while I was on a call

with mute or unmute the call?

I need this.

  • Yeah.

And Apple, if you're listening to us,

we're waiting for those updates

and hopefully we'll get more info

in about two and a half weeks or three weeks.

Wow, it's very almost true.

  • I really want the keyboard, don't I?

I will pay $2.50 for a full extended keyboard

that did those things.

  • That would be nice.

That would be nice.

I like this number pad though.

I'm just using, it's weird to just have three keys

on the left instead of four.

And I call my keys match up where they should on the Mac.

(laughing)

  • So how's the keyboard, you know, typing wise?

Like it is--

  • So I'm not a keyboard snob personally.

I am, it is very comfortable to type on, I will say.

There's enough travel for me that I'm able to

actually press it and feel that I'm pressing the key,

but it's not too much.

And it's also fairly quiet as well,

which for me, I prefer something quiet

because I'm often working with other people around and stuff.

It's not like super quiet, like you can't hear it,

but it's not like super clicky.

If I want clicky, I'll put clickies in my headphones

with that app that everyone was talking about for five bucks.

But I'm not buying it.

I will not buy it.

Yeah, clack or whatever it was, yeah.

  • Yeah, not doing it.

  • I refuse to.

What's been throwing me off those

because on the other keyboard that I was using,

I had to go to the third key over to get to the option key

because I swapped my, huh, I wonder.

Oh, my brain is broken.

I'm gonna reset my computer one of these days

in the near future.

But I reset my command and option keys.

And so I had to go to the third key over,

but now to get to my option key,

I think it fixed itself.

So I just hold the right option,

which is the second key over.

That is taking a little bit to get used to,

but aside from that, yeah.

  • Cool, the MX key.

  • I haven't played with it in Parallels yet.

I want to see how that goes.

Or fix it, so this other keyboard that I have

is my Parallels keyboard that's plugged into my USB port,

and then can I set it so Alt + Tab works the way it should,

but it's really Option + Tab,

because I'm using the MX keys in Mac OS,

I can just keep my command key where it is.

Does that make sense?

  • Yeah, it does.

  • The only thing I would lose in that instance

is the task manager for Windows, which is Windows key tab,

because that would be command tab into Mac OS,

but I don't use it as much as I do

when I'm using a regular Windows computer versus bootcamp.

Well, not bootcamp, but Parallels,

because interestingly enough,

and maybe it's the way the keyboard's assigned,

I don't use virtual desktops on Windows,

surprisingly, in Parallels.

(laughing)

And that's what I used the Task Manager for, was to move,

'cause if you didn't know,

if you're on a Windows computer and you hit Windows tab,

this'll bring up a list of all your virtual desktops,

which you can create by going to the desktop with Windows D

and pressing Control Windows D,

and it will give you as many desktops as you want.

Alt-Tabbing then will only Alt-Tab you through the items that are open in that specific desktop.

From your desktop with Windows D, you can use Ctrl+Windows left and right arrow keys to move

back and forth between the desktops. But Windows Tab will give you a list of all of your desktops.

You can press F2 on the desktop name to rename it if you want to give your desktop's names.

And then you can press Shift+F10 or Applications key on an applications window or a programs window

that's listed and there's an option that says move to a specific desktop or you

can actually have it make available on all desktops which when I discovered that

that was like magic because I wanted the soft phone to be available on all

desktops but I only wanted certain applications on each desktop.

So much of that sounds similar to the way that workspaces on the Mac work.

Except that whole part about when you're in a specific virtual desktop and hitting alt tabs keeps you in apps only in that desktop.

That is the part of macOS spaces that has always been broken for me and is the reason I can't use them.

Yeah. Yeah. I would love that feature because I especially on the Mac because the thing that I've noticed, I thought about trying workspaces.

No, that's not what they're called. What is the new thing called stage manager? I haven't gotten to it yet.

gotten to it yet. I did not like it on the iPad at all. Okay,

it is. But

did you not like it on the iPad? Because you didn't like it? Or

did you not like it on the iPad? Because you didn't understand

it? Because my thought was I didn't, I don't understand it

myself. So I might go pick up Shelley's book and actually read

her section on it and see if I better understand how stage

manager works and then see if I can apply that on the Mac.

So on the iPad, I didn't like it because it didn't work. And when

I say it didn't work, I mean, like it kind of broke voiceover in

way because you couldn't navigate normally exploring my touch didn't

always move voiceover like it was just a horrible and fair enough it was on a

beta two so I think I kind of understand the concept of it enough and that's why

I said I probably will try it on the Mac at some point I just need time to

actually just be fiddling around I'm not actually trying to get work done because

it's probably I feel like it's gonna require some some setup slash

exploration so I know what it's doing before I start trying to

work in it and realizing, you know, thinking it doesn't, you

know, it's broken. So, my concept of what we're and that's

a good idea. Read Shelly's book. Uh yeah. Just in general. On

works. Yeah. Well, on the workspace as stage manager.

Yeah. Yeah. She has a stage manager section for uh iPad OS

sixteen. Uh I should read it. You can go to AT guys.com and

by the book. Yeah, people should read Shelly's book just on general principle. If you're

struggling with anything with accessibility or you want to know about what's new with

the accessibility features because that's the other thing that Shelly does and there's

so much that gets dropped in releases right now that without going through it all over

again like there's whole new sections this year in voiceover settings on iOS alone that

were not there before or have gotten very much extended.

You said something that I wanted to go back to when I forgot

what it was. Because sidetracked me with these workspaces and

virtual desktops and stage managers and parallels and

switching keyboards between Windows and ah parallels. That's

what it was parallels. So command tab for me does just work the

same with them in parallels or not. So I didn't have to do any

mapping to that now pressing just command by itself brings up

the menu and windows, other windows commands work with the

windows key. So like Windows D takes me to the desktop, for

example. We have command tab always switches me out of

switches apps for me. Gotcha. Okay. Good to know. So we'll play

with that. I do wish I do wish that there were a way to connect

directly to Windows over Bluetooth with the keyboard because that will make life

easier for me at least because I could map the Windows keys to be what I want

them to be and have a shortcut key that will switch me out of that back into

Mac OS or just you know hit a key on the keyboard and switch back to controlling

Mac OS. Now you've mentioned something to me a couple of times when we're not

recording and I'm gonna bring it up here. Have you went and looked in the setting

to find out if there's a way to do that.

Because I was gonna say,

when I plug in a new device and I'm in Windows,

I do get that screen that I have to OCR on

that asks if I wanna make it available

to the virtual machine.

I wonder if there's a way to connect keyboards directly

to the virtual machine and skip macOS.

  • I think you can, I have looked in the settings.

And that's also an option you can change.

You can set by default when I plug in a device,

which OS should it go to, ask me or go to just macOS

windows. Uh but on the so from reading the documentation for

parallels, it looks like they intentionally block you being

able to connect like they they don't enable that capability

for you to connect to windows over a Bluetooth keyboard. I

understand why because if you only have the one Bluetooth

keyboard that just pairs to your Mac like say you're sitting

here with an iMac and a Magic Keyboard, right? Well, that's

only one connection and you go into Windows and say, I want to now pair this keyboard

with the Windows virtual machine, right? At that point, that keyboard is only controlling

Windows. Well, how did you can't get back to Mac OS to repair it because you broke your

keyboard. However, yeah, or plug it in with a cable will get you back there too. But that

It doesn't work for every single one device connection Bluetooth keyboard either.

So I understand that, but it doesn't account for like a way around it because I have a

keyboard that has multiple abilities to pair.

So F, whatever this is for me on my keyboard is because my keyboard that I'm using pairs

to four Bluetooth devices and I have four buttons that you use to put in pairing mode

and switch above the number pad.

So let's see if I count.

That's F12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19.

F are device keys for me.

So F16 is the Mac, like it would be nice.

F17 is the Mac Mini.

F18 could be Windows.

Right now I'm controlling this Windows virtual device.

That would be kind of cool.

Or even some kind of virtual, that would be better.

'Cause then I could do some keyboard mapping

and have Windows key be where it's actually supposed to be

without it giving me unexpected results in macOS

when I press the option key.

  • One of the unexpected perks that I realized

while you were talking was that when I do figure out

how I can switch devices, I have this state,

I shoot iPad to my left that has a keyboard on it as well.

Well, that's plugged into the Vocaster.

no one hears that. So I can check my Outlook email on there

to see if I have any new messages because I've been

neglecting that. So I'm trying to be more conscious of that

email account. And I don't want to tie it up with any of my

other personal stuff. But now that I have this up, because

it's not a device that synchronizes with my iCloud

account, I can actually go in and set it up as a Bluetooth

device. And then I'll have to take my hands off the keyboard

because I'm just wearing one pair of headphones. And that's

pretty cool. Like I like that. I probably won't find an adapter

and keep it on the bottom of my phone,

but that would be kind of cool for my phone

if I just plugged that into the Vocaster.

Maybe I need to get a Vocaster too

because then I can just Bluetooth to my phone.

I don't know, we'll see.

I might also download Castro to the Mac.

You'll have to stay tuned to find out.

Oh.

  • Castro, yeah Michael, let's switch to Castro again.

  • Yeah, yeah.

I don't wanna talk about it.

I really don't.

(laughing)

  • You know, I should go look at this,

this command line thing, Mac up,

they used to be around and they used to see

if it's still around.

So what Mac up would do is it would copy

to a cloud storage of your choice,

or wherever you wanted it to honestly.

Your configuration files for a lot of apps.

So what the settings were for a lot of your apps, right?

So that when you reinstalled or set up a new computer,

you would just go sync those, you know, reinstall Mac up.

It's kind of like Homebrew and Brew file in a way.

but just for your settings.

  • Yeah, so you install Mac up and then you run Mac up,

you know, restore or whatever,

configure it to point to where your files are.

And then it's basically sim linking the directory

for, you know, text mate settings to wherever it's stored

and drop box for you or something like that, right?

So I need to take a look at that,

see if it's still being actively developed

'cause that could be a way to resolve

that particular problem.

Put it somewhere, I could use my external drive

because it's encrypted.

And yeah.

We will follow up on that next week,

as well as me telling people most likely what the first 10

apps were that I actually installed

and why I installed them in the order that I did.

Because it's very strange.

Mike was so far off.

I was.

Mike was like, signal.

I was like, I haven't even installed signal.

Nobody's on signal.

And I just still am resistant to WhatsApp.

Yeah.

Yeah.

WhatsApp.

I literally just installed WhatsApp today because Steven

emailed me and said, Hey, I sent you a couple of messages over

here. So I replied to him. I'm like, you know what happens when

you sign into WhatsApp on the blind shell, but then you get a

phone call and you don't finish setting it up. It signs you out

of WhatsApp on your iPhone. And you don't get notifications

because you're not all the way to sign in.

Speaking of WhatsApp one, I can kind of feel my resistance

starting to crumble a little bit because it's not going anywhere.

And like I can't, me by myself can't move people over to where I am more comfortable

such as Signal or 3ma.

3ma was kind of dead to me very early though because one you had to pay for the app in

order to get it.

It was $2.99 but still you got to pay for it.

Like why would I pay for that when I could just use Facebook Messenger?

Okay.

Point made.

Signal however being free, I wish more people were using that.

They do have a couple of issues that I don't care for and I wish that they would figure

out a reasonable way to adjust or at least give me the option to opt out of it.

I don't like that they require your phone number.

That's one of the things I liked about three minutes.

It didn't require you to give them a phone number.

Now personally, I don't really care about signal having my phone number, but just from

standpoint of the most possible privacy you can offer a person in case they need

such a thing I would like to see them do something about that my resistance to

what's happens crumbling a little bit though because a lot of people are on

what's happened that's that's gonna be the most reliable way and as I start

jumping between devices because I can also feel that about to happen again

where I'm gonna be like oh I could just move this sim card over here all right

Now I'm using a pixel and it kind of sucks a little bit,

but it's okay.

WhatsApp is gonna be cross platform, right?

I can't take eye message with me.

People aren't gonna jump on signal.

Also, I appreciate the fact that WhatsApp is sticking

to their commitment for privacy and security,

which they've been doing pretty good

over the past couple of years.

They say they will pull out of the UK

If the UK enforces back doors on encryption, basically sign for signal.

So it's going to be interesting to see what happens there.

So yeah, there was plenty more that I wanted to talk about that we got

distracted by this, uh, Auden app.

Maybe we'll try it, be a little bit more prepared, but I figured we had to

actually try it out because yesterday I posted on Mastodon that we

were going to try something.

And then this morning I remembered, I don't even know what tool we're using.

So I had to go Google it to find the name of it.

So I could send it to the mossy.

Anyways, I just Googled Twitter spaces for mastodon and it popped right up.

Uh, yeah.

You have anything else?

Uh, I got my wish list out there for Apple.

Yes.

I haven't started to do it.

So me neither.

This is a USB C keyboard too, which I do like.

Yeah, that's one thing I don't like about this.

But I have some user right now is that as many as micro micro micro.

That's the second one I have here.

It's micro. Yeah.

So yeah, I'm really trying to get away.

Hey, we're going to put a call out right now for people listening.

If you happen to know so there, there was a thing that exists.

They still do exist. They're called USB hubs. Right.

A long time ago, when you had a laptop or a desktop where you were running out of

ports you will go out and buy USB hub they're bus powered in you know

electric group power ones but I like the bus power ones you could go out and buy

this and it will probably give you like four or five extra USB-A ports for your

computer you can plug stuff in everything worked just fine right I want one of

these that has just USB-C ports so just four three or four doesn't have to be

you know any more than that that is bus powered and I could carry with me just

plug into my laptop and boom,

I now have extra USB-C ports for things.

I have not found one that exists, that is just USB-C.

We'll have a conversation about this in Zoom the other day

and I forget what I asked 'cause we are a couple

of more years into this transition

and perhaps such a thing exists

and I just have not found it yet 'cause I'm not looking.

I have given up.

  • You have given up and now if you have an idea,

reach out to Demasi on Mastodon or myself.

And we'll both get notifications.

I just sent my hand down on my desk

and I found this plastic thing

that we were looking at possibly carrying.

And I forgot about it until I found it.

(laughing)

Anyways, how can people reach out to us on Mastodon, Demasi?

And I will redirect you to where Michael is on Mastodon.

Damacy.yorompay.com will redirect you to where I am on Mastodon.

If you were listening live, you know where that is today.

Probably won't be there next week.

But the redirections, uh, as your own pay will always work.

So you always know what server we're on.

And if you run your own website, think about doing that too.

Cause why not?

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